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Help with weirs

Help with weirs

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    Aug 14, 2018#1

    Hi all
    can you help with weirs
    how do you know which ones are passable or you can ride over in kayak or open canoe?
    bit new to this
    cheers
    simon
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      Aug 14, 2018#2

      General rules often don't work with weirs, some quite innocuous can be really dodgy. The best thing to do is to seek local knowledge on a case by case basis. I am sure there will come a time when you will be able to 'read' them but that is really difficult to teach on an internet forum.

      If in doubt, carry round.

      Be safe out there!

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        Aug 14, 2018#3

        Simon1969 wrote:Hi all
        can you help with weirs
        If in doubt, carry round is definitely the way to go. I spent about 15 minutes in a weir once. Others had paddled it no problem but I was new and a bit hesitant and it ate me up. be aware that some weirs don't like to let people out, so don't risk it.

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          Aug 14, 2018#4

          Generally it's what you can't see is the problem, as Adrian said local knowledge is the key. We paddled in Oxford where there are two weirs close to each other although they look identical on the surface one is a killer and one isn't.

          There is a feature at Llangollen that has characteristics of a small weir. While I was there and to see what would happen I poked the nose of my canoe into the flow; from then onwards it sucked me in and I couldn't escape, had this been a "nasty weir" I would have been doomed!

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          Cheers
          Tim
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            Aug 14, 2018#5

            Yeah, weirs are a law unto themselves and take years of experience to be able to judge them, and even then, they still catch people out. Local knowledge is really useful.

            As a beginner, I'd stay clear unless with experienced paddlers who know the weir.
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              Aug 14, 2018#6

              The upstream face of anything with fixed ironmongery is always dangerous.

              The downstream side needs local knowledge.
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                Aug 14, 2018#7

                Mal Grey wrote: As a beginner, I'd stay clear unless with experienced paddlers who know the weir.
                ++1
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                  Aug 14, 2018#8

                  I am sure there will come a time when you will be able to 'read' them
                  I'm still very wary of any weir unless I can tap into local knowledge, but I've only been paddling for 36 years.

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                    Aug 14, 2018#9

                    Thanks Adrian

                      Aug 14, 2018#10

                      Thanks everyone
                      so keep clear unless you know the place
                      grateful

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                        Aug 15, 2018#11

                        Note that some major rivers have canoe trails on where canoe passes or chutes have been built on/around some of the weirs - always worth doing an online search for rivers you paddle to see if there is already a canoe trail or guide which will highlight any canoe passes, or portage points. The vast majority of smaller rivers don't have anything like this and you will need to gain local information.

                        Even after looking at a weir at a lot of different water levels to assess the power and escapability of the hydraulic and check for bits of rebar sticking out where concrete has crumbled over the years, or corners of sheet piling etc, it is still possible to miss clues, like anti-scour sills under water which create an inescapable hydraulic completely invisible from the surface, or that the face is undercut for some 20 feet back forming an underwater cave you could end up in.

                        How hard can it be?

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                          Aug 15, 2018#12

                          Thank
                          at the moment I just doing Stretches of rivers with no weirs or lakes
                          nice and simple
                          also as it’s only me I can only do trails where I can paddle back to my car �� lol

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                            Aug 21, 2018#13

                            join a club they will give you instruction while meeting new folk

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                              Thanks

                              Aug 21, 2018#14

                              greyman;661171 wrote:join a club they will give you instruction while meeting new folk
                              Thanks just too much of a free sprit to join a club
                              hate rules and paying membership
                              Never belonged to a club
                              don’t know why it’s just me wild rebel side lol

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                                Aug 22, 2018#15

                                It's not just a matter of which ones - but how much water is moving on any given day, which is of course highly variable for each weir. If in doubt avoid because they are either easy or life threatening without much in between (in my view). The best advice I can give you is that if it does all go wrong, rather than fight a loosing battle on the surface, your best chance is to sink down (if you can) and push/swim out with the current as close to the bottom of the river as possible. Generally, things are less turbulent and the water is moving away from the hazard on the river bed.

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                                  Aug 22, 2018#16

                                  Bisbrooke Hippo wrote:It's not just a matter of which ones - but how much water is moving on any given day, which is of course highly variable for each weir. If in doubt avoid because they are either easy or life threatening without much in between (in my view). The best advice I can give you is that if it does all go wrong, rather than fight a loosing battle on the surface, your best chance is to sink down (if you can) and push/swim out with the current as close to the bottom of the river as possible. Generally, things are less turbulent and the water is moving away from the hazard on the river bed.
                                  Thanks but swimming and deep sea driving isnt on my to do list lol
                                  i am very happy avoiding weir and sticking to lakes and nice rivers at the moment
                                  sounds like too much trouble And you can’t go back over them to get back to the car too lol