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Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 2 months ago #14403
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which is the secret of eskimo rolling in a turbulent waters?
Is equal rolling in a flatwater or not? Thanks!! |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 2 months ago #14408
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No secret, just don't freak out, take a second to set up and then do what you do in flat water.
If you try to roll the second you go underwater you will probably be in a funny position and not get up. |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 2 months ago #14410
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What i do is count to 3 in my head from the moment i capsize, this gives you time to get orientated and get a nice set up like scannon said if you try and roll up straight away youre more likely to fail and end up totally disorientated, oh and practice as much as you can on flat and moving water.
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 2 months ago #14420
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I find it some times easier to use a back deck roll in boilers and funny water, when getting the paddle out of the water for the \"regular\" roll is difficult.
But as the others said, practice rolling in all kinds of water, flat, moving, eddy lines, waves, holes and all that and don't panic... even if it takes a few tries to get up. |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 2 months ago #14421
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just relax, get practising on both sides, If one side doesnt work try the other its usually the current hidering you, get your blade out of the water and go for it. It takes time and alot of practise you will get there, the surf is a great place to learn as the waves hit you and do funny things, and if you swim get out on the beach empty your boat go again, makesure its a quiet beach away from boardies and swimmers, transfer it to the river and there you go
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 2 months ago #14422
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Oh and if you hit your head or something else on a rock stay calm and still go for a roll, if you swim because of this excuse you will hit every other part of you body on forementioned rock seen it happen way to much! this is why we wear helmets etc
(edited due to double post and remembered i forgot to put this in!) |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 2 months ago #14487
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Back deckroll all the way, it's way easier to set up for it and once your set up you can roll on either side you wish. It's also more powerful and efficient
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 2 months ago #14490
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yeah, its gotten to the point that I hardly ever use my normal roll, I either backdeck it or just use my paddle to help carry around my momentum in some wierd way that I never really end up upside-down, but you have to be careful not to do it in too shallow water. An important thing to remember is to keep your head down. Way too many times have I seen people panic and go for air, then flip again. A good way of thinking of this is to look at your paddle blade.
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 2 months ago #14503
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I dont use backdeck rolls in the river cause i like my teeth too much!
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 2 months ago #14525
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thustler wrote:
Using a back deck roll your head and body are closer to the surface, its alot quicker and your paddle shaft is infront of your face so your less likely to be hit. I persoanlly use whatever roll suits the position I get flipped into be on the front deck back deck hands wherever. This is very handy as you dont have to fight to get into your roll position, as with practise you should be able to roll the majority of the time Goodluck |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 1 month ago #14755
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Backdeck rolls are useful but it does leave your face exposed, i'd much rather have the back of my helmet hit than my face. To be honest though it depends what kind of water your on, i mean...i wouldn't back deck roll while going creeking.
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 1 month ago #14758
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For me the best thing to do in turbulent water is to stay calm and have a really strong and agressive hip snap, this can be said for any type of roll you choose to use - after living on the Zam strong hip snap never fails me.
Scotty R |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 1 month ago #15078
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yea i only ever use a back deck too, never hurt myself with it but i am a playboater and dont do creeking so not sure what the deal is there. but for playboating a back deck is quicker and easier.
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 18 years 3 weeks ago #15462
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scottyr wrote:
This for me is the KEY in boiling, aerated water - water that won't support a paddle stroke well. RELAX, curl up TIGHT in the set up position, and CRANK on your hip snap. Form is KEY in rough water, so concentrate on a decent setup, as others have said - haste makes waste/swims... keep your head down and out last, and focus on hip snapping the boat over. Back deck, CtoC, etc. all come down to best technique and calm execution in rough water... And, agree with the 'hit the rocks' comment - you may 'tag' a rock with your head/arm/hand, etc... STAY CALM, HOLD ON TO YOUR PADDLE, and try again. I've rolled after bouncing down many a drop, bruised but still in my boat! |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 17 years 10 months ago #17323
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mate, the onlyy way to learn is practice!
when you are out paddling just go for a roll in some messy water - ask a friend to watch to save a wet exit! also when you go over take your time, get set up properly and take your roll, the most important thing is DO NOT PANIC!! hope this helps Andy |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 17 years 9 months ago #17970
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Hey,
Didn't read all posts so don't know if someone said it but the trick for lots of ppl I've taught was for them to purposefully flip and roll while going down some smaller rapids (as long as they are deep enough) this builds the self confidence that you can roll in white water. Apart from the confidence a roll in rapids is exactly the same as a roll in the flat and it's only how intimidated you are by the surroundings that will effect it. Good Luck:grin: |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 17 years 9 months ago #17982
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Relax!!!!!!!
That is the first thing... The water will do funny things from time to time.... Just get set up and wait until you know your paddle is clear... Now just do your regular roll... I found the key to gaining confidence was playboating... I get flipped almost every time i get in the hole... That feeling of getting the paddle set up and not rushing the roll until i am either out of the hole (normal) or I get set up on the pile side (less frequent) was something thaat now is natural... You get better at hanging out upside down... You can hold your breath for 10 seconds say that in your head and just hang for a little... you will feel your chance then boom... Roll and mean it Good luck |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 17 years 1 week ago #21895
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hi, sometimes when i capsize my boat is stuck on edge and its nigh on impossible to roll back up from this position. does this happen to anyone else and does any one have any solutions other than waiting to completely capsize
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 17 years 1 week ago #21896
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Possibly brace?
When the boat is caught. Are you already underwater or on the verge of capsizing? |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 17 years 1 week ago #21903
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if ur in the wavetrain you can just stick ur paddle out and ull roll up.
if not just relax, wait then roll nothing too it just keep ur head, dnt be scared |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 17 years 1 week ago #21904
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no kevin my body and paddles are completely underwater, but my boat is stuck on a funny angle
thinking about it its only ever happened to me in a specific hole, maybe its how the water flows |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 17 years 1 week ago #21906
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This happened to my friend the other day. It looked pretty funny. He just tried a half arsed roll which made him flop over fully then rolled up.
Perhaps a good thing to try is to practice rolling on your other side. That way instead of being stuck under and your boat not flipping fully so you can roll, you'll actually already be half way up before you start  |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 17 years 6 days ago #21914
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i can roll on the other side, i just never do
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 16 years 6 months ago #24267
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i can roll on flat water but when im on a river i try to roll but panic and swim. anyone got any good tips on how to stay calm so i can roll up in current ??
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 16 years 6 months ago #24272
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One thing that may help is to flip yourself over once you get in your boat--get in the water into a nice eddy and flip. Do your roll and come back up. This helps take care of some of the fear of the unknown. You've already been underwater in the river and you rolled up, so you know you can do it. Just a thought.
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 16 years 6 months ago #24277
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Also if you only have flat water, do drills like, flip over, count to 10, roll up. Chuck your paddle a few feet away from you, paddle over, grab it, roll back up. Start throwing it further away. Roll over, pass your paddle over your boat to your other side, pass it back then roll up. Roll over, try to tie a knot of some sort under water, then grab your paddle and roll up.
Basically do anything you can think of that forces you to take your time under water will teach you to get used to it and not panic. I need to do some of these drills, didn't go paddling for a while due to injuries/no water etc. Seems I've suffered more mentally then physical paddling skills! |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 16 years 2 months ago #25762
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In my opinion there is very little difference between a flat water roll and one on a grade 2/3 river, apart from your mental state. The trick is to take your time, and, if you stuff up first attempt, have a second go, as you tend to set up better and be less rushed at this stage.
It took me ages to learn to roll. in the end it was just a case of turning over enough times to be comfortable enough under water, and have a proper shot at rolling |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 16 years 2 months ago #25799
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A good way to keep calm underwater is to prepare bfore you go into the rapid.
Take a few deep breaths before you start paddling towards the rapid, so that if you do roll you have lots of oxygen in your lungs, helping to keep you calmer and more relaxed under the water. I spend quite a bit of time underwater in rapids, and those deep breaths are key to staying relaxed. When you get under, just take your time and orientate yourself. Set up, and then exicute your roll. If you dont get it the first time, relax and try again. The worst that can happen is you get barrel rolled or you swim. Keep in mind that the more you practice, the better youll be at your roll and the more relaxed you will be under the water |
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 16 years 2 months ago #25804
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this has happened to me and i have learned to wiggle my hips to break free and fully capsize and roll up or sometimes i will scull myself upright. my partner videoed it one time and it was pretty entertaining to see my boat stuck on edge.
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Re:Rolling in a turbulent waters 16 years 1 week ago #26732
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I find that the best way to do it is to just stay calm and remember the basics. As long as you focus on the roll and each component of the roll (proper paddle movements, and good hip flick) then next thing you will be up right and ready to go.
when I was first starting out, I had a little bit of trouble with it because at one point I nearly drowned myself forgetting to pull the safety loop out from under the skirt when I put it on, so I couldn't get out of the boat when I didn't get my roll, so the next few times I did go out, I made sure to flip in the rapids (in a safe spot) five or six times, and wait under water for a good few seconds before completing my roll, now i am confident in my roll and am not afraid of whatevers under my boat and I can stay calm and get it done quick! hope this helps! |
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