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Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 1 week ago #14872
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I am new to kayaking and I am looking to buy a decent helmet. Has anyone used the Phly? It looks like it is pretty good, but I would like to hear from people that do not have a biased opinion.
My head is 23.5 inches in diameter, so I have a large cranium. I would be open to hear about any other recomended helmets as well. I will be using the helmet mostly for creeking, and because I like my head, I want to make sure it is protected.  |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 1 week ago #14874
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Best protection assures you a composite helmet. They are made of fiberglass, kevlar and aramid impregnated with resins, so they are stiffer than ABS injection molded shells (plastic).
ShredReady produce Full Mental Jacket, great helmet for creeking, with good side coverage, and a retention system that keeps in position. It also fits a big heads. |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 1 week ago #14883
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I've got the Shred Ready Full Mental Jacket. It's a solid helmet and provides good coverage without a doubt. I had some issues with quality though. The inside lining started to come out at the forehead. The lining is vital for the little velcro tab things to adhere to. The support piece at the base of the skull broke too although it isn't the end of the world. I hardly ever use it and mostly use my Sweet Strutter:
www.sweet.no/helmets_strutter.htm Very good helmet. The quality is second to none! I am really happy with it. Looks like they have removed the weave look from their Strutters.  Not as rad I reckon. If you want maximum protection then go for something like this:www.sweet.no/helmets_rocker_s1_fc.htm They also have a full face version is that's your sort of thing. Good helmets, awesome quality. Check it out... Here's a pic of mine 
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 1 week ago #14885
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Sure, if price is no problem Sweets are best made.
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 1 week ago #14886
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martzin wrote:
Yes, they are expensive. No doubt about that. But I often ask. What is your life worth to you? Like motorbike helmets. I rather spend the extra on a Shoei or Arai and know that I did all that was possible. A mate of mine sustained a severe head injury with a Shark helmet (motorbike, while riding, not kayaking) and he had blood on the brain. In a coma for a month and had to learn how to walk and talk, the works. Rather be safe than sorry. Not to say anything about Shark helmets. With a lesser helmet he may have been killed instantly, although they had to resusitate him 3 times!  Majority of composite helmets are the way to go. Happy 2B, Sweet, Shred Ready etc. Many more. Luckily you'll probably drown before they reach you so you don't have to worry about brain damage etc. On that lovely note. Over and out   By the way, ask Scotty about a severe impact to the skull on elbow rock in #9 (Zambezi). He was with a Sweet, no worries. Another dude before, old Mike, cheap helmet, split the helmet and several stiches later... |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 1 week ago #14887
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23.5 inch diameter, eh? Maybe something like this…
On the other hand if you meant circumference, then I recommend Sweet too  |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 1 week ago #14888
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kernel wrote:
Do you rate that as a high visibility piece of safety kit? Hehehehehe  Nice Ross |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 1 week ago #14892
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Sure, some day-glo paint on the outside and a camping mat on the inside
 For what it's worth, WRSI are also reputed to do very good helmet, although I've never used one so can't really comment. The most important aspect is that it fits your head correctly and doesn't move about once it's on, so invest some time in trying on a variety of helmets if possible. Try pushing them back from the forehead and then from the back to the front. If it's moving and exposing your head then it's not the helmet for you… |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 1 week ago #14893
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kernel wrote:
Does that come with eye holes and in a composite material? I am not sure how well the aluminum will hold up:grin: Talk about megacephaly, right? You are correct, I did mean circumference. If anyone knows my 9th grade geometry teacher, please do not tell her. Thanks for the feedback guys. It looks like the top runners are the Strutter and the Full Mental Jacket. I am not really concerned about price when it comes to my grey matter. Now I just have to decide which will look best with a Mega Rocker. Image is everything, you know. |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 1 week ago #14894
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Hi there Cudamav,
You should consider the Happy-2b as well. I have a massive, oddly shaped noggin, (24in+) and couldn't get the sweet strutter to fit no matter how the pads/straps were postioned. Finally got a Happy-2b Skook (www.happy-2b.com/new/pages/skook.htm). I think it's a great looking helmet, and the padding is softer and I think more comfortable than the Strutter padding. Also, the helmet has adjustable bands on the front and back to help with fitting. Hope it all goes well in the search for the right helmet. Robert |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 3 days ago #14998
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Well, I still think the Strutter gives awesome protection, the padding inside is perfect. I messed up a drop this weekend and took some solid impacts going down this 3 metre drop. The Strutter performed as expected and absorbed the impact nicely. The full cut one would give better protection but apart from a cut hand, as my paddle snapped in my hand, I was good to go for the rest of the trip.
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 3 days ago #15004
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Nasty one, Adrian. Good to hear your head's still in one piece. Was it the H2Os that snapped?
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 3 days ago #15005
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Don't get me wrong, I think the Strutter is a really good helmet and in truth there is little difference between the Strutter and the Skook. (I'd actually bought a Strutter and had to bring it back!)
I think the most significant difference between them is the fit, and that's probably the most critical thing about a helmet. Just throwing a few more suggestions out there. Looks like you were well served by your helmet there though.  Robert |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 3 days ago #15018
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kernel wrote:
Hey Ross, yeah it was my H20-2 paddle that bust. Pretty bummed. Luckily I have another back-up H20 with custom blades that I bought second hand. I've e-mailed them and will find out what will happen. In either case, I'll be getting or buying another one. Really love the feel, power and control of the blades! Hope your shoulder is getting stronger too! L8er |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 3 days ago #15019
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Glad to hear you are ok, Adrian. Sounds like a nasty spill.
I had the chance to try on the Strutter this weekend and it fits perfectly. It looks like that will be my helmet of choice. I am not able to find a US based dealer for Happy-2B. Does anyone know of any? I am interested in checking that one out as well |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 23 hours ago #15092
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Right, a little off topic but check this out. Just a report on my paddle. John Hevesi, CEO and president of H20 paddles has agreed to send me a brand new paddle, free of charge. I must just pay for the shipping. I’ve decided to have it shipped to Finland where I’ll pick it up for my little adventure with Tuomas.
They would usually require proof of breakage for investigation but have, luckily for me, made an exception. I am really stoked and must say, this is the best/friendliest/quickest customer service I have ever come across. A mate of mine here broke his while on holiday last year in Chile and he was also given a new one for free. Now I’m not saying that every time you break a paddle they will replace, of course not, each case would be examined I’m sure, but pretty impressive if you ask me. At least I’ve got another in the mean time. If you’ve never tried one then go and find one to try. They are awesome. Very rare to find a business that is interested in the customer. Most people will sell you something and after that, you’re on your own. I’m not referring to the paddling industry but business in general. H20 all the way.... |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 18 years 12 hours ago #15109
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Adrian, you can not beat that customer service. Nice to hear that it worked out for you.
Thanks again to everyone for their input. I decided to go for better coverage and get this: www.sweet.no/helmets_rocker_le.htm It came in today and it fits perfectly. I am very happy with my choice so far, and with the fact that the visor is removable if I find the need to take it off. I just ordered it on Wednesday, and it arrived today. I am tempted to wear it around the office today, but I may lose my job for that one. I will make sure to post a review the first time I take it on the water. |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 17 years 11 months ago #15140
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Awesome! Good choice mate! You will see good use of it I'm sure
Sorry to add again here but seeing as though the people here may/may not have been following this thread... Broke my back-up H20 today. Pretty bummed now. I was trying to catch a wave and it snapped in the middle, before I had even reached the wave! Still in some very deep water... Pretty weird. I guess my luck is just down at the moment. I went over with both halves, then let one go and rolled on the 2nd or 3rd attempt with only one half. I managed to grasp the other half.. Let's see what happens now. I feel bad, even though I have done nothing wrong.. It really is weird. |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 17 years 11 months ago #15144
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Well, I can't believe it. H20 will replace this paddle too! It's unbelievable. That's the finest customer service I've EVER seen. It's really blown my doors off.
They assure me the paddles are about 20% stronger now and don't have any issues. Think I just had bad luck too.. Bloody good paddles, I must say, and customer service second to none. Anyway, enough adding to this thread.  Cheers Adrian |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 17 years 11 months ago #15151
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Adrian,
With that rate... How many paddles you think will need for the trip? 8? 10?  Better start stocking them right now... |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 17 years 11 months ago #15157
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Tuomas wrote:
Maybe none.  I'll bum off of you hehehehe  When I enter some holes that are hungry for a South African, I'll be sure to hang onto my paddle for dear life  Hopefully not too much carnage on my part |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 17 years 11 months ago #15181
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Well I would not worry about having a big head as shred ready helmets typically have many sizing options, pads, and a good system to keep your head steady. If you are going to need protection and you are creeking take a look at the Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) it gives great protection go to Shread Ready website (www.shredready.com).
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 17 years 11 months ago #15207
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Supprised no one mentioned WRSI its only $69 & probably the safest helmet around as its the \"culmination of the 4 year Whitewater Head Impact Protection Project (WWHIP) cosponsored by the Institute and Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, MD.\"
It has a patented multi layer make up to distribute impacts not just relying on a hard shell & a layer of foam. |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 17 years 11 months ago #15208
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Flow wrote:
I can assure you Sweet helmets do not rely on just a hard shell and a layer of foam. They meet and exceed CE EN 1385 certification standards. There are two shells to a Strutter, for example. A carbon fibre upper and a polyethylene lower (plastic - similar to your kayak) for protection of your upper cervical spine. Most people don't know that and think they are just a carbon shell. There is also a 7mm closed cell foam inside. I'm not dismissing WRSI helmets but don't dis helmets like Sweet. A lot of thought/testing/hard work etc. have gone into them to produce an excellent range of products. Cheap? No. Quality, yes.Have fun  Cheers |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 17 years 11 months ago #15209
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No I wasnt aware that they had another layer inside, I believe this makes a huge differene. I wasnt meaning to diss your Strutter directly but you must admit you see a lot of helmets out there (some home made) that are just a shell & some foam. Agreed you get what you pay for, but in the case of the WRTSI you actually get more as the research was done by non profit organisations. Quoting a review (on the Shaggy) on this site \"CE 1385 doesn't get you very far from the bottom end\" now don't get mad
I know your helmet is top end, my point is just that there are far inferior helmets than yours that qualify.Sorry wasnt wanting to offend, just to point out that there was another very safe helmet that nobody mentioned. |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 17 years 11 months ago #15210
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Flow wrote:
So if that's the opinion of the reviewer (wherever and whoever that is), how does that help? Is the reviewer of the opinion that the CE 1385 standard is not good enough? I highly doubt that. What is the reviewers knowledge of this standard? Is there a another standard that helmets should conform to but don't, at present. I don't know, I would guess not. I'm sure WRSI are great. I have no experience with them, but from all accounts people seem super happy with them. I do not take offence, sorry if I came across a bit bold in the previous post. For sure, there a lot of helmets out there that are shell and foam and conform to no standards what so ever. Personal choices all the way... Cheers for now. |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 17 years 11 months ago #15211
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Well, TBH I don't rate the CE standard. Helmets like the Yak Contour and Ace Protec pass it and I wouldn't trust them on anything above grade 2.
On the other hand over 50% of Sweet's designs have passed CE EN 1077 which is the skiing standard and is a lot more stringent, as far as I know. I'm sure lots of manufacturers' helmets would pass this too; but the WW CE rating doesn't seem to be enough IMHO. Again, no helmet, composite or otherwise, will do you any good if it's not fitted properly. That's the most important thing. P.S. I did mention WRSI back up there somewhere |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 17 years 11 months ago #15212
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Can anybody provide us with these standards? I see, like all other standards in industry, one has to pay for them. I would be very interested in what they stipulate...
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 17 years 11 months ago #15214
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I think the standards are quite longwinded but here is an interesting summery (just skip the chatting at the beginning)
helmets101.blogspot.com Basicaly oversimplified the main test is: helmets are tested to 250g's (for a given energy) death occurs at 300g's unconshisness between 80 & 150g's. Helmet coverage need not be extensive, but implementing tighter regulations might mean a helmet that is very uncool to wear. |
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Re:Shred Ready Phly?? 17 years 11 months ago #15217
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Thanks for the link… that was a pretty interesting article.
Cheers, Ross |
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