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I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 8 months ago #27466
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Hi all
Ive outfitted my boat but my feet are going numb after about an hour of paddling. Its getting quite annoying, and obviously doing my head in. Ive put foam behind the thigh braces on the side of the boat and there locked in nice and comfortable. There is quite a bit of room at the bottom for my feet, so i thought id put in some more foam for my heels. its not tight up against them so that i can relax but close enough so that when i find a hole or wave i can push down and try getting an end etc etc. I wear neoprene socks when paddling but they are only 2mm thick and as before there is plenty of room.  Oh i paddle a biscuit 65, the largest size and im 6ft 3in and weigh 15.5st or 216lb or 98kg. Any help appreciated ill try and get some photos to show you what ive done. many thanks matt |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 8 months ago #27468
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try wearing hard bottomed shoes with thin tops. or just foam the crap out of it. or happy feet but to be honest i think i speak for a lot of playboaters on here and just deal with it really. an hour in the boat before getting numb is pretty good going. iv been in boats that take 5-10mins and their gone. it can be your heels or toes crushing up. pad it out good just keep trying.
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 8 months ago #27478
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 you can tell me to stop being a p***y you know. Wait you pretty much did. No seriously though, i heard somewhere that dead feet is to do with your ass cheeks! or to do with a muscle or nerve in your cheeks and sitting on it in a certain way means the blood dosent get to your feet. matt |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 8 months ago #27479
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The same thing happens to me within 20 mins, for the moment im dealing with it because as they get more numb you can't even feel it anymore. I think your rigt with the whole ass thing, i read something on the jackson site about where your seat is affects your blood flow and i think the solution was to stick some foam on the edge of the seat so that your legs are slightly raised up. Have a flick through some of the articles on jackson site i think it may have been in the outfitting section some where. Another thing is if your hip pads are too tight and tis happened to me, your legs go numb from waist downwards, not pleasant.
Good luck but to be honest after four years of paddling in different boats and always the same problem its something you'll end up accepting... |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 8 months ago #27481
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Alright big guy,
Allot of folks seem to suffer for sore feet and pins and needles in their legs, in my experience this can be down to allot of things. I would suggest that you loot at your hip pads first. Both how much packing and the position of where it is. Try get the padding up higher so that it hold you on your boat as opposed to it squashing your hips. Adrian adrianshanahan.com |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 8 months ago #27483
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adrianshanahan wrote:
Ditto, I thinks it's called the ITC that runs the length hip to toe when compreseed will cause pins n needles, cramp and numbness in legs and feet. Don't forget you are getting back into boating so you probably need to get used to the seating position. Other than that man up and try a squirt boat then you know what pain is..  |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 8 months ago #27484
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ye there is a nerve running from your arse down to your feet. my feet go numb because that same nerve is gettinjg pressed in my heel cuz i cant fit in with thick soled shoes which is y i suggested it. some people have even gone as far as cutting two holes in their seat to releave pressure of the nerve. spend a lot of time i the boat and just keep adding/taking away padding till you get it right or as close to right as you can. i wasnt calling you a pu**y, if i was id be calling myself one cuz iv posted this exact post as have a lot of people.
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 8 months ago #27486
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cheers all
Im gonna look at the jackson site and see what that says, ill have a look at the hip pads as they are rather snug, maybe too snug in fact. cheers all for the input, anymore still appreciated. Sparx i know.matty |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 8 months ago #27490
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lol
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 8 months ago #27492
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Look at the hip pads, not too tight, and also under your ass. I put a bit of foam underneath to support my hamstrings and get a better, closer fitting, er....fit!
I can paddle my play boat for 2 or 3 and more hours without anything going dead...  |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 8 months ago #27497
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The best solution i have come across is to simply pop you knees out of the braces on the flat bits or in th eddy.
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 8 months ago #27500
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ok cheers all
does any1 have a happy feet in any boat that isnt a jackson? and if so how well do they rate them? do you think itll do me any favours? Also if any1 has the bad ass outfitting can you tell me how to take it off the seat so i can put some foam under it? ive got the velcro off the back band and hip pads but it seems pretty well bolted in with these little plastic pin things??? ta matt |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 8 months ago #27502
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Had happy feet in a jackson, ripped it out after three sessions and fitted a foam foot block.
Over engineered and completly pointless. That said there are hundreds of people who like them, I am pretty sure if you had a pole it would be 50 /50 love it or hate it when it comes to jackson out fitting. |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 7 months ago #27542
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ll oufitting if bloody complicated! its a fiddle 4 sure. unscrew everything basically but cudnt tell you with out seeing it. my old outfitting was a b*sta*d! had to get the shopkeeper (who had the same boat as me) to do it for me.
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 7 months ago #27544
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tommorow ill post a couple of pictures of my outfitting cos it didnt take that long and it still isnt comfy, so its probably a mess compared to every1 elses masterpieces.
matt |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 7 months ago #27554
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tommorow ill post a couple of pictures of my outfitting cos it didnt take that long and it still isnt comfy, so its probably a mess compared to every1 elses masterpieces.
matt |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 7 months ago #27560
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 7 months ago #27572
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look good. made any difference?
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 7 months ago #27576
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no its still uncomfortable, some1 on the liguidlogic forum posted a pic of theres. Im gona rip his idea i think(potomackchuck-if your reading this - sorry dude)
Tomorrow nite is outfitting nite part III. matt |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 7 months ago #27611
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I know i posted advice to you but i am (having tried most of above) am still having serious problems, my feet are numb within 15 - 20 mins of getting in my kayak and becoming quite an annoyance. Im definetly not in too tight because ive already chopped a good few lumps off my hip pads and my feet dont touch the foots block!
 Kinda a little confused as to what else it could be apart from my seat. Has anyone tried doing anything to their seat which helped? |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 7 months ago #27614
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Which boat are you in? I am pretty sure that most Jacksons are wider for the thigh braces which makes your leg stretch more, and if you are paddling an old kayak, padding the seat might help. I have the same problem, and am hoping that by stretching before paddling will fix it (toe touches or anything that stretches your back thigh, since that's where I always have a problem).
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 7 months ago #27616
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Saz
I adjusted my hip pads, Took the extra padding out so they were not as tight. But if your saying this is not working for you, i was given other advice but it is a bit controversal! I was told to drill holes in my seat, to relieve the pressure on your arse cheek apparently. obviously not many people will want to drill holes in there boats and if it dosent work your left with a deformed seat! I also know some1 that did a similar thing but no drilling involved. He covered his seat in foam and then cut grooves for his ass cheeks so that there wasnt so much pressure on this nerve that goes from ur ass to your toe. You maybe getting numb feet because of the pressure on this nerve? maybe a rough explanation but im doin this in a rush. matt |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 7 months ago #27625
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Yes i might try the seat thing next or il just deal with it. It is probably down to my crappy outfiitting as i have a dagger g-force with the old outfitting and i can easily say its rubbish!!
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 7 months ago #27682
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I would love to have an hour before my legs go numb!! For me it's about 10mins. It's not really something to just ignore as there's been a few times i've gone to jump out of my boat above a rapid and almost fall in cause i can't stand up on my numb legs!!! I think for me it's the pressure from my legs being forced wider than i like sitting as well as inadequate support around my butt. I'm currently trying to get hold of a sweet cheeks.
One short/partial help has been that i try to constantly wiggle my legs while i'm on flat water. I find that my legs are fine if i'm in constant whitewater due to the movement so i try to mimic that on the flat water. I am definitely aiming to be able to sit in my boat for a few hours once outfitting is sorted. I wanna be enjoying rapids on a river trip, not just being relieved that my legs have a break!! Stephen |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 7 months ago #27813
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If you are an extreme or competitive playboater you will accept the PAIN if their is performance GAIN. Otherwise get a playboat that fits better. For Me a bliss stick specialist gave me 20-30 min before ankle seizure. But RAD 180 I can paddle all day no problems.
Solution...I sold the specialist and kept the RAD. |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 4 months ago #28547
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Although I do not have the experience in playboats that many here must, I have experienced a similair problem in a Necky Chatham 16 seakayak.
The stock seating configuration caused my legs to go stone dead in less than 15 minutes and it was painful. Ultimately, the solution was to angle the front of the seat up slightly to avoid putting sharp pressure on that nerve mentioned earlier. Tilting the seat upward slightly seemed to spread the pressure of the seat over my ass more uniformly, without causing a pinch anywhere, and resulted in my legs being numbness and pain free for a couple hours. Hope it helps. Bradley |
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 4 months ago #28549
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And remember to move around--reposition. It's just like the deal with the paddle. If you hold on with an iron grip and don't let the blood flow your fingers will kill (slightly off topic but I think the analogy works).
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 4 months ago #28550
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Have you considered medical issues? Might want to talk to your doc just in case. Not trying to be gloomy here.
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Re:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems 15 years 4 months ago #28570
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two words
Happy feets. but now how to use them and the are your friend |
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RRe:I cant feel my feet! - outfitting problems-- 15 years 4 months ago #28573
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Matt, I notice from the pics of your outfitting that it appears you must dig in with your heels, since the foot blocks are on the bottom and not all that high. I have always needed outfitting where I press against the foot block with the ball of my feet, so I think you might try a new position or thickness of the foot block so that you can at least try to get your leverage with the ball of the foot. This might necessitate the block being a bit further forward and in a different position, say the outside, rather than the inside bottom.
I should note, however, that I outfit my surf kayaks for ocean surfing this way. If you have enough room between the bulkhead foam and the foot block, you can "relax" your feet anytime you are not in a critical situation. Don't know if this will work for WW kayaking, but when I had a super perfect day in the Japan Sea this fall, I was surfing for a solid 2.5 hours and just resting my feet on the paddles out. Sometimes a little bit of pins and needles, but the resting of the feet really helped out. |
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