i was asked to teach someone how to roll. I once knew 3 ways of doing it.


I CANT REMEMBER ANY OF THE WAYS!

someone help

look on the wiki

so you can't roll now i can do a onside roll and a offside roll but that is it unless i am playing in a hole then i do the backdeck roll

I can do on and off and if i need more o go for a swim if it is warm enough

tru dat

screw roll (both sides), reverse screw roll (both sides), back deack roll, hand roll (both sides), sea kayakers roll. Those are the ones i can think of at the moment

This has gone a biut off subject.

I know HOW to roll. I dont know how to TEACH roll.

me either

Start with holding his hand while standing next to him and let him do hipsnaps, from lower and lower, then give him a paddle (you hold it) and let him use the paddle instead of your hand. The next step is to show how the blade should go from the front of the boat to the side, where he has to pull the blade and make the snap. Best ting is to "guide" the blade to the correct position on the side of the boat. Then (usually without telling) i stop holding and guiding the blade, and if they come up i tell them they did it all by themselves. You probaply are able to do the rest (roll without paddle, from weird positions, teach the back deck roll etc)

Good luck!

Edit: if he's playing canoepolo, dont teach them to roll ON the ball (hold the ball in the hand where they would normally hit the surface with), cause it's very easy to grab that ball for the opponent. If you're rolling with the ball, you should hold it close to your body with your left hand/arm (if you're rolling on right that is) like they hold football balls, and hit the water with your other hand. Now the opponent cant touch the ball while you're coming back up.

or give him a video and show him the basics of the roll and then you will have a rolling budy

tell em to remember wide arms when under water and they'll d it no probs.. or so the theory goes!

teaching other people how 2 roll is rather difficult even when they can padle well

try teaching the back deck roll, that confuses the hell out of people.

when i teach it i get them to do all the useal hip snap and things off the side of the pool/my hands.

then for the actual roll i teah it as four stages

1.set up

2.sweep out

3.pull down and snap hips

4. lean back

if they need extra help in getting the paddle to the 90 degree positiion i useally just guide the paddle with my hand.

[quote:95a8a57f58="M0nkeymann"]4. lean back[/quote:95a8a57f58]

I dont think leaning back is part of any roll except a back deck roll. It may help you get upright in a 'C to C' roll, but it will also help rocks knock your face off. If anything, tuck in and lean forward.

de3ffinety an inredibly hard thing to do. Iv e tried it a couple times and have probably turned several peopl off paddling becasue of failure. I dont get it wahtsoever... good luck to you tho

[quote:1c448915c1="juneyman"][quote:1c448915c1="M0nkeymann"]4. lean back[/quote:1c448915c1]

I dont think leaning back is part of any roll except a back deck roll. It may help you get upright in a 'C to C' roll, but it will also help rocks knock your face off. If anything, tuck in and lean forward.[/quote:1c448915c1]

its just a learning thing to help them get round and build their confidence it normally dissapears after a while when they can do it on their own.

DON'T LEAN BACK!!!

Why teach BAD form only to correct it later?
Buy or borrow "Grace Under Pressure". It teaches you how to teach the C to C roll. It's an old video but very accurate & concise. It also gives the student a chance to visualize what's going on with the mechanics of the roll.
Teaching bad form is the prelude to injury and/or a bad river experience.

yeah, leaning back is a way to get a shreded face. Does anyone actually roll this way? Not back deck style that is.

Keep Your Ear On Your Shoulder

leaning back although dangerous on moving water is a good way of teaching people how to roll. By resting their head on the back boat when underwater, getting those first few rolls is much much easier. Once they have rolled a few times i get them to try it sitting upright underwater, then when they have got that i get them to try it leaning forwards. I find this allows people to learn to roll much more quickly than to start off by trying to lean forwards

I don't know if he meant lean back initially while underwater. I know that when I taught myself to roll I found that if I leaned back as I broke the surface of the water I completed more rolls cleanly. I realize now that leaning back as you come out of the water lowers your center of gravity and lessens the likelyhood of just rolling back down on the side you came up on.

Why not stay tucked forward, that way if you miss again, you don't take the risk of bashing your face in?

the first roll they get by themselves is the one they remember, i spent a weekend in march correcting my crap technique.
teach a front deck roll from the start, normally a c to c, front deck rolls are also better as once you are up you are forward and upright so able to see where you are and in a good position to put in any strokes you need to, also with the new much lower volume boats if you spend too much time over the back deck it can easily get pulled under by the current.

c to c roll, start in a pool if possible, build up the hip snap off the side of the pool, emphasise head up last and keeping body at 90 to the boat then sweeping forwards when coming up and sit upright. do both sides.

then go onto hand rolls in effect, let the person go under the water, reach up and use your hands for support or a paddle etc, this builds a MASSIVE hip flick, again emphasise head up last and show body sweeping over thefront deck then going to upright position, and again both sides.

the roll, do not even think about a pawlata(extended paddle roll)!
c t c as before, set up on the surface, tell them to tuck forwards towards the side they will roll on, whern they go over hold the paddle blade and the boat and pull them apart to 90. then support slightly and (befor they go under) tell them they must pull down and flick, remembering the hand roll where they came up over the front deck then sat upright.
remember the paddle blade must be on the surface, head up last and hip flick.
again remember to practice both sides, go onto just guiding the paddle out to 90 with no support for thepull and flic, then just be there to support but let them do all the work, maybe just start to take the paddle out to 90, at first don't let them know you're not supporting, rolling is as much a psychological thing as it is technique.

Good luck and anything you may want to ask, then do!

i can't remember the name of a very good book but i'll post it when i do.

Have fun

Miller

Right Arm Locked and Straight

Left Elbow pressed against the left side of the body.

i agree with wha you guys are saying and it does seem logical for the first roll to be near perfect technique.

however i know this aint really an excuse but i live in suffolk where it is [u:635717371a]completly[/u:635717371a] flatwater and to be honest rocks and currents aren't really a problem.

i try n change me ways for the better for teaching rolls in the future.

thanks for your comments

well, if you are teaching someone how to roll, reguardless of where they learn it, I hope that one day they may paddle down something other than flatwater, at which point it would be nice to know proper technique, and not knock ones nose off.

I usually teach the people that want to learn to roll in a pool. Get them to place their hands on the edge of the pool and just practice their hip flicks until they get the idea that their heads should be the last thing out of the water.

That natural instinct to get your head out first is the destroyer of beginner rollers in my opinion.