i have a cascade lacrosse looks just like the white water helmets except the lacrosse helmet uses a chin strap instead of a buckle can i use this helmet or should i get some thing else. thanks


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does the laccrosse have fabric or plastic on the inside. and would you be steep creeking because if you are going to be only playboating that helmet would be major overkill

yeah i would be creeking and thers no fabric on the inside

I have the black one on the bottom. It works like a charm. It is a bit heavier then other helmets, but is easy to get used to. The only drag is you can't get your nose piece in. So be prepaired for water up the nose. I guess that's better then a rock hitting your face.

different horses for different courses.

Buy a helmet designed for the job. You only have one head so you might as well look after it.

Denzil

P.S. Polo style face guards should never be worn on a river! they can be sodding dangerous

I agree, but disagree. Most helmets would not be good to use in a kayak. However, the Lacross helmet mentioned above is stronger, and takes an impact better than almost any kayaking helmet. I would put it up against any "kayaking" helmet on the market.

[quote:81a003965b="aevanlloyd"]I agree, but disagree. Most helmets would not be good to use in a kayak. However, the Lacross helmet mentioned above is stronger, and takes an impact better than almost any kayaking helmet. I would put it up against any "kayaking" helmet on the market.[/quote:81a003965b]

Now that is a bold claim. Personally I would much rather have a helmet designed to deal with the conditions in which it is going to be used (the gnarly white stuff). Helmet design is not all about strength and I try to avoid helmets not designed for use on the water as I have seem them fail in odd ways (clearly by being used in an inappropreate way for the design). Retained waight, snag potential and attatchment failings (normally chin strap) seem to be the most commen problems with non water helmets. Personally I would say that the snag potential on that lacross helmet is massive (not a good thing) and the attatchment will not have been desingned to take account of the continual buffeting and lift forces that the helmet will recive while upsidown on a river.
I would much rather have a proper kayaking helmet (ideally something like a sweet rocker but I would take a plastic protek over that lecross jobby).

Denzil

P.S. I said it before but I'll say it again. That face mask is dangerous on a river.

Yah.. you must be kidding. That piece of crap soft plastic vs. sweet rocker. You can cut a lacross helmet with a knife. Cascade helmets are outdated and not comparable to todays high quality whitewater helmets.

id have to agree with the above, i would not feel comfortable creeking with that. maybe not a two hundred dollar rocker, but more than that

That's cool. Nobody is asking you to use it. All I can say is that after seeing several imploded cheek bones and broken noses, a bunch of us started using these helmets and they have saved us from some bad situations. Do I use it everyday? Of course not. However, if I'm not familier with a run, or it's on the shallow side, I'm using the face mask. I have never had a problem with it snagging or the chin strap failing, but I'm sure it's possible. Anything is possible in the white stuff, I just try to avoid any problems I can. If you don't think it's for you, that's fine. It's your face.

[quote:5571c22cd1]P.S. I said it before but I'll say it again. That face mask is dangerous on a river.[/quote:5571c22cd1]

So is a rock smashing your face in.

I am not stopping anybody from wearing one but I definatly feel that they are bloody dangerous and would not paddle with anybody wearing one of those helments (sorry but I do not like dealing with dead bodies) they do not offer enough or the correct protection and the face masks are lethal (almost appears to be a grid for snagging) and do not offer great face protection anyway (I have seen one bend around a guys broken nose making it far worse and almost tearing it from his face, very nasty).


At the end of the day though it is your head and your life though so wear whatever you want.

Denzil

P.S. a good hemet can cost under £100 is your life worth that little to you?

a face mask when creeking is alright in y opinion. its the actual helmet that worries me.

Here is some middle ground. The best of both worlds.
www.shredready.com/products/lektor.htm

What happens if your knocked unconceus you need cpr you cant get the helmet off so with a face guard you cant do it! Also the main differenec is the lector chin gurad is designed to fall off if you snag it a polo face guard will just bend and hold you under meanin g you drown! Just dont wear one on moving water theres no need and the are a big health hazard

just undo the screws and take the guard of simple

[quote:217e2b02c9="jackb"]just undo the screws and take the guard of simple[/quote:217e2b02c9]

And you will still be left with a crappy helmet not suitable for white water use. At least it would be better than with the bloody face guard though.

Also you might aswell get a helmet for each different sport you do(if required!) you onlyhave one head and it is worth protecting. If you take a hit weariing a correct helmet it takes the abuse then you replace it if your not wearing an approved helmet or one that does notoffer the same type of protection the you could end up seriously injured and could be in hospital for a while!

Just dont be a cheap skate and buy a kayaking helmet the predator short cut is very good value for money and offers good protection!