can someone please tell me the best technique for Bow/stern stall or a cartwheel in flat water in a necky vibe

I think it will be the same technique as in any other kayak, just a bit more fickle because of the weird shape and volume distribution in the bow. Just get a strong double pump.

hi
the vibe does not requir any special technique to throw down or hold in a stall it just requires good technique. due to the high volume it is very unstable to couteract this instability you need to keep still and move your weight very subtly. it also helps to keep your paddle away from the boat as this gives a more stable position.
other than these tips just keep trying and remember it is all obout rotation so wind up before you throw down.
happy paddlin
mike

Is the problem that you dont know how to carthweel, or that you think the boat is messing you up? The boat shouldnt make that huge a difference.

its like when i doulbe pump it will go down half way a rocket back to the surface.

This is a problem that I run into a lot when I'm teaching, and its got nothing to do with the vibe, or whatever boat you're in. You have to realize that its more than just your arm and shoulders doing all the work. At least fifty percent of the effort to slam the bow through comes from your torso. Really think about your body being like scissors, and work against your arm and force your legs down. A good way to build up some strength is to grab the side of a pool, or your buddy's boat like you're going to practice your hip snap, but instead of rolling, slam the bow up and down while keeping relatively stationary at the torso. Your abs should be really tired afterward.

When it comes to be bow stall, the quickest way to learn is to fill your boat up with a little water, and the do enders into a very small eddy line. The combination of double pumping into a bow stall sometimes makes it more difficult, but if you can do them both fairly well, putting the two together is a lot less discouraging. Also, remember that when you're bow stalling that the way you lean is the opposite of what you might think. If you lean back, then you fall forward on your head, if you lean forward then you will flatten out.

hope that helps

David Finney

If the bow is too big for you or you are too weak to get it down, you could try the reverse double pump. The stern of the Vibe is a good bit smaller, and would be easier to initiate into a stern stall, from which you could really slam the bow under.

Thank for all the advice im going to a pool tommorrow so i ll let you know if your tips works


THanks

david finney knows what hes talking about. i wish i had him when i learned to flatwater cartwheel.

Yea i tryed slamming it down with my torso still same releaslts it feel extremly hard just to get the bow down a little way

Well, the Vibe is definantly not an easy boat to bow stall. It is possible, but if you are trying to learn to bow stall, it may be a good idea to try another boat, with less volume at the end. An easy boat to lean in would be a Dagger Id, or a Liquidlogic Session. If you dont have access to another boat, I would suggest keep practicing on the edge of the pool, and try to feel out the 'sweet spot' where the boat is blalnced.

another thought is ur seet, is it too far bak?????

this would mean that u carnt get the required amount of weight over the bow or off the stern if u see what i mean.

all that said, shuving the seat all the way forward is no substitute for technique

yes my seat is up past far i had to rige it to go that far up
Thanks for All your help guy but i am selling that beast of a boat, boat.

I guess you'll have to get a new picture...
Anyways, if you are looking for a boat that is easy to stall and cartwheel, I would recomend a Dagger Id or a Wavesport Transformer. Most of the more recent playboats would be the same story as the Vibe I would think...

i was think the LL vision 56

That would probably be good too, plus with that you could also do more aerial moves

I Would a try a project. I think it is the best boat on the maket. Plus it throws down a little easier than a vision or star. I love everything about it!

[color=cyan:ec645025d0]Just couldn't help noticing ...

I know that the ease of cartwheeling also depends of the way the volume is distributed but now you are going to buy a slightly longer boat with quite a bit more volume. Not sure how heavy you are or how strong or good your techniuqe is either... Good luck with your choice. I'm not familiar with either boat in any case. Just a comment. [/color:ec645025d0]

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