i am thinking of getting either a glass bladed carbon/kevlar straight shafted warp 11 or a straight glass shafted h2o 2 wich would you recomend im partial to the warp cos its cheaper but i have herd that you have to put the paddles on the shaft yourself is this true also if its that cheap is it built well and as for the h20 looks sweet but is a bit more than i can afford as im a skint liitle boy

hi jack, i'd buy a ty warp 11 if i were you. i have been using my warp 10 for two years now and i am absolutely happy with it. it's strong and durable. i think the ty warps are best value for money. i bought mine already glued and i don't know about how you get them in england. cheers, lunde

[quote:2ba438585c="jackb"]i am thinking of getting either a glass bladed carbon/kevlar straight shafted warp 11 or a straight glass shafted h2o 2 wich would you recomend im partial to the warp cos its cheaper but i have herd that you have to put the paddles on the shaft yourself is this true also if its that cheap is it built well and as for the h20 looks sweet but is a bit more than i can afford as im a skint liitle boy[/quote:2ba438585c]

Hi,
I have a Warp 11 and considering the price is a good paddle.
The only thing i don't like is a little bit stiff for my taste.
I glued it by myself but usually you can buy it already assembled, you should ask to the reseller.
Anyway assembling the paddle is not so difficult, specially if you find someone more expert helping you for the first time.

Ciao

i think ill go for the warp then what do you use for glueing it and what do mean firs time do they fall apart or something ? i think ill get mine pre glued if i can.

aparently the 2006 paddles dont need glueing but are still not easy to get hold of

[quote:3028a70ca5="jackb"]i think ill go for the warp then what do you use for glueing it and what do mean firs time do they fall apart or something ? i think ill get mine pre glued if i can.[/quote:3028a70ca5]

Ciao
you can use epoxy or hot glue.
Epoxy should be better, but i prefer hot glue.
Epoxy is sold in 2 components and you have to mix it well and once it dries it becomes like concrete so you can't do mistakes.
Hot glue takes longer to drie and probably can melt in very hot environment, but it is not the case in the Alps.

Then once I broken a blade, having used hot glue to change it has been quite easy, since i removed the shaft using a hot pistol.


They should not fall apart, but perhaps the first time someone expert could assist you in order to avoid mistake, just in case.

I'll explain how i did... but not right now cause i'm in a hurry.
i'll write you in the next days

ciao

Hey Jack,
Just bought a Warp 10 and am very happy with it. I got it sent to me in three pieces then hot glued it together. I did this because I want to experiment with different paddle angles and also for travelling. It's really easy, just heat the two parts you are glueing - blade and centre tube over a gas stove or with a heat gun, apply the hot glue and stick together. It dries quickly and seems to bond really well. You can then reheat to change or take the paddle apart. Alternatively use 2 part araldite to get a permanent bond.
You can't really stuff up with the hot glue because it is easy to change.
Cheers
Mark

[color=cyan:29ad656509]Hot glue...
There are pros and cons to using hot glue. It's handy as you can dismantle your paddle if you are travelling somewhere as was stated already. If you break your shaft and manage to salvage both blades then by using a heat gun one can easily remove the broken shaft pieces and use the blades again. Where if one had used an epoxy this can be pretty difficult. If the epoxy is more than a few months old it is sometimes possible to use a heat gun to seperate components. This, however, is not always possible and one may need to apply too much heat and this can damage the paddle. Hot glue is handy is you want to change your blade angles if you want to experiment.

Hot glue can often 'weaken' with age. Another factor is paddling in very hot areas. I had a crank shaft once that was joined in the middle using hot glue. It continually gave me hassles. Fifteen minutes into a 40 km overnight paddle I discovered that the glue was not holding... Not very encouraging.

Even if the places you are paddling are not very hot, leaving your paddle in the car can also cause the hot glue to soften. This can cause the glue to leave 'gaps' between the blade and the shaft allowing water to get into your paddle. Too much heat can also cause the paddle to change your blade angle.

So to conclude all this hot glue is not as permanent as using an epoxy type of glue but I personally find it a less reliable way of putting paddles together.

I never use hot glue anymore but I know of plenty of people that still swear by it.

Does anyone know what manufacturers use? My guess would be some kind of epoxy. [/color:29ad656509]

i think ill use epoxy type stuff as my dad has used it alot and it seems good for me as im not gunna piss round wit hdifferent angles. however is it hard to get it at the right angle and what is the bets for learning new stuff and palyin im thinkin about 35 to 40 degrees but i have not clue about it reeli

The best paddle for broken it.

what were you doing when you broke it. And did you assemble it yourself? what class of water?

Flatwater. Broken the blade. Well, perhaps a unlucky day.

thats not good if it was flatwater hopfully for all the ty warp owners it was a fluke paddle.

Ty Warp have a very good warranty replacement program. I would suggest contacting the retailer where you bought them or contact Nico directly - his details are on their website.

[quote:61870afb58="Colm"]Ty Warp have a very good warranty replacement program. I would suggest contacting the retailer where you bought them or contact Nico directly - his details are on their website.[/quote:61870afb58]

Well, I broken a Warp 11 and i contacted them,
they just me they were sorry and that i was one of the rare case occurred.
So i just ordered a replacing blade, dismantled the broken one, and reglued the new one.
I hit a rock when i was upside down in a rapid, very easy indeed.
Never heard about their warranty and since yaou can break almost any paddle
perhaps theyr warranty is related to manufacturing defects.

I have a warp10 and the first paddle I had with it I hit a rock and one of the blades delaminated. The blade seperated for about 3 in between the layrs of carbon/glass. The company replaced the whole paddle on the basis of the photos I sent them which was good as the postage back to them would of been heaps.

Since then I have used the new one but have found that it chips and wears easily. I have just put a kevlar tip on the old one and it seems to have stopped the chipping.

The paddles are good value and I love their seakayak paddles but for shallow rocky rivers go for the H2O as it is more durable.

Hope it helps
Andy