Hey, I am just starting to look at buying a new kayak and think i found one that I'm fairly interested in, its a perception spin, anyways i was wondering what kind of gear i should get to go wit it such as a paddle and what not? thanks for your help
Peace, Judson

Welcome. I would suggest Werner paddles and Astral PFD's. You might could get away with a used paddle, but I would suggest getting a new PFD. There are lots of choices. Also, check out Boatertalk.com. under gearswap. Enjoy!

well a spraydeck would probably be usefull My kayaking gear consists of the following:

Helmet
PFD
Short sleeved cag (sometimes a t-shirt or thermal top underneath depends of the weather)
spraydeck
swimming shorts
sandals
boat
paddles

[quote:e0ea26b72e="Tomme"]well a spraydeck would probably be usefull My kayaking gear consists of the following:

Helmet
PFD
Short sleeved cag (sometimes a t-shirt or thermal top underneath depends of the weather)
spraydeck
swimming shorts
sandals
boat
paddles[/quote:e0ea26b72e]
[color=cyan:e0ea26b72e]
...and what about safety? [/color:e0ea26b72e]

I was about to say

What about Ireland...

Helmet
PFD
Thermal Top
Thermal Trousers
Full Thermal Body-Suit
5 ml Neoprene Boots
3 ml Neoprene Gloves
Dry-suit
Drytop over the drysuit
Flask with Hot Drink
Hip Flask of Brandy

boat
paddles
spraydeck

and a prayer book to try and get some aul rain!!!

Hey, thank you all for the information its fairly useful and im looking forard to hitting some rapids. Best advice would be the flask of brandi haha
Peace Judson

[quote:faeb5f8b1b]..and what about safety?[/quote:faeb5f8b1b]
??

[quote:a9ece32280="Tomme"][quote:a9ece32280]..and what about safety?[/quote:a9ece32280]
??[/quote:a9ece32280]

1 x 20m Throwline
1 x 35m Throwline
2 x 3m Webbing Slings
Prussucs(sp?)
2 x Pullies
1 x River knife
1 x Plastic Loud Whistle
1 x Big orrange survival bag


hmm I think that is everything I consider to be me safty / rescue kit.

Denzil

[quote:9a6a654893="stoneweasel"][quote:9a6a654893="Tomme"][quote:9a6a654893]..and what about safety?[/quote:9a6a654893]
??[/quote:9a6a654893]

1 x 20m Throwline
1 x 35m Throwline
2 x 3m Webbing Slings
Prussucs(sp?)
2 x Pullies
1 x River knife
1 x Plastic Loud Whistle
1 x Big orrange survival bag


hmm I think that is everything I consider to be me safty / rescue kit.

Denzil[/quote:9a6a654893]

No first aid kit ???

Dutch tape, it comes in handy for all first aid and boat or gear aid.

Holy crap you guys bring a lot. I usually bring a water bottle. Please do not crucify me on this one... What is the use of a throwrope if you never set safety or scout rapids. I usually boat scout. The rivers I run are run frequently and I run them with people who know them very well. When ever I go class 4-5 creeking there would be no way to use a throwbag ( I think) take a long time to get out of your boat, and then u risk filling with water. The rivers I run are like 5 miles of straight rapids 120+ feet of gradient per mile. Not many places to get out.

[quote:1845fcf00a="nathan"]Holy crap you guys bring a lot. I usually bring a water bottle. Please do not crucify me on this one... What is the use of a throwrope if you never set safety or scout rapids. I usually boat scout. The rivers I run are run frequently and I run them with people who know them very well. When ever I go class 4-5 creeking there would be no way to use a throwbag ( I think) take a long time to get out of your boat, and then u risk filling with water. The rivers I run are like 5 miles of straight rapids 120+ feet of gradient per mile. Not many places to get out.[/quote:1845fcf00a]

Seriously dude, get yourself some safty gear and by the sounds of it on a white water rescue course as well so you know when and how to use it.

I do not take all this kit paddaling with me every time I go out, I take what is required for the trip I am doing although for some trips (especially where Gnarl is involved) I do take all the kit.

As for first aid kit I don't consider that part of my safty / rescue kit I consider that as my first aid / boat repair kit (there is actually a fair bit of crossover of stuff used on boats and people).

Denzil

[quote:435861ca9c="nathan"]Holy crap you guys bring a lot. I usually bring a water bottle. Please do not crucify me on this one... What is the use of a throwrope if you never set safety or scout rapids. I usually boat scout. The rivers I run are run frequently and I run them with people who know them very well. When ever I go class 4-5 creeking there would be no way to use a throwbag ( I think) take a long time to get out of your boat, and then u risk filling with water. The rivers I run are like 5 miles of straight rapids 120+ feet of gradient per mile. Not many places to get out.[/quote:435861ca9c]

You bring a water bottle? Men, I usually just go in my swimming trunks. I mean, the rapids I paddle are usually class VI, so if anything happens, all that safety gear is not of much use anyway.

Oops I lef crabs off my list (very Important)

I take 2 snapgate and 2 screwgte crabs with my safty gear.


Of couse what I really mean to say though is Helmets are for whimps and in fact kayaks are just a form of safty equipment to get me down the river. I am off to do a Naked descent of High Force

[img:31b5ea7a2b]www.icteachers.co.uk/photos/photos/high_force5.jpg[/img:31b5ea7a2b]

Denzil

[quote:1e6134fecd="nathan"]Holy crap you guys bring a lot. I usually bring a water bottle. Please do not crucify me on this one... What is the use of a throwrope if you never set safety or scout rapids. I usually boat scout. The rivers I run are run frequently and I run them with people who know them very well. When ever I go class 4-5 creeking there would be no way to use a throwbag ( I think) take a long time to get out of your boat, and then u risk filling with water. The rivers I run are like 5 miles of straight rapids 120+ feet of gradient per mile. Not many places to get out.[/quote:1e6134fecd]

[color=cyan:1e6134fecd]Running rivers, regardless of difficulty, danger or gradient without a throw bag or any other safety equipment is your own mission. Good luck with that. But you're going to find yourself being the long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. Just a matter of time... [/color:1e6134fecd]

I am signed up for safety lessons later. I was asking a complety serious question. i didn't want to open up a can of worms. Some of you need to realize that this board is for more than discussing what manufacturers posed of which manufacturer. Personaly i could care less about which boat is better. i actually want to know if, Any people here ever use a throwbag when you are in your boat. I have never needed to use a throwbag before. I have also never wished that someone has used a throwbag on me. I want to know the truth, not some sarcastic BS.

i personally have never used a throwbag, but ive been on trips where it has been used to set up safety, and save some beginers a failry long swim. Id always bring one, just in case. It never hurts to be careful. i know what youre saying tho, ive never been a situation where i really needed one either.

When I paddled with a club I used to carry a 25m line in my boat and a 10m line in a pocket at the back of Buoyancy Aid so even if I took a swim, I still always had a rope with me. I feel they are [i:0ccc6ffbdd]that[/i:0ccc6ffbdd] important.

I’ve used or seen throw bags used in the following situations:

• General rescue set-up so stops beginners taking long swims
• Pulling people out of recirculating holes
• Pulling a girl out of an undercut
• Rescued from a nasty vertical pinning in a man made weir
• Rescued creak boats filled with water from rocks
• When light is fading and time is running out, rescue set-up to ensure any swims are dealt with quickly.
• There was one guy in the club even managed to pull his car out of a ditch with a throw rope and a well set up Z-drag.

Although like every piece of safety equipment, you have to know how to use it and more importantly, [b:0ccc6ffbdd]know what to do if you’re in the water “receiving” the rope[/b:0ccc6ffbdd]. In the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're doing, a rope can make a bad situation 10 times worse.

A throw rope is a bit like Medical Insurance. You sould spend your whole life never needing it but if you get really sick, well...

I didnt mention safety cos i thought the guy who posted this was new to kayaking, and unless you know how to use throwlines etc they can make things worse. But yes i agree when on moving water i take a throwline, towline, some crabs, river knife, first aid kit and whistle

[quote:f3bf51ee17="nathan"]Holy crap you guys bring a lot. I usually bring a water bottle. Please do not crucify me on this one... What is the use of a throwrope if you never set safety or scout rapids. I usually boat scout. The rivers I run are run frequently and I run them with people who know them very well. When ever I go class 4-5 creeking there would be no way to use a throwbag ( I think) take a long time to get out of your boat, and then u risk filling with water. The rivers I run are like 5 miles of straight rapids 120+ feet of gradient per mile. Not many places to get out.[/quote:f3bf51ee17]

Sorry for the sarcasum but I was just a bit stunned by your comments.

A throw bag has saved my life more than once and I have used throwbags to get som people out of some bad situations. They are an essential piece of river kit.

Denzil

My Kit:

Boat: Mr Clean Perception (Old school eh!)
Paddles: Perception Zambezi (Untill I get my Ty Warp's)
Helmet: Peak UK Predator,
PFD: Yak Kallista,
Spraydeck: Yak Kryo,
Long and shortie THERMALS!
Wetsuit,
Wet Boots 5mm,
Wet Gloves 3mm,
My lovely 10litre drybag.
I have an emergency pod too.

My kit is a little mis and match and maybe a little 'amature-ish' due to the fact I'm 15 and have to buy all my own equipment with what I earn and it's taken me a while but what I have I love and works for me. No doubt I'll be upgrading my paddles soon and hopefully get myself a PeakUK spraydeck.

YO u guys forgot a Helmet!

no i think that everyone mentioned a helmt

Never forget to take a sponge. They have many many uses:
>Squeezing any unwanted water out of the boat without getting out and struggling with a bung when your hands are numb.
>Throwing at people to gain their attention.
>Squeezing over anyone who is bored/loud/annoying
>Playing ball games when there are no children around to borrow a ball from.
>Rudimentary currency when you cant find your wallet.
>Hat
>If you lose a wetsuit boot it is probably possible to carve a hole into a sponge with your knife and improvise!
The list goes on...

The sponge is a good one. Something else that I don't think anybody has mentioned are Float bags (Airbags). If you take a swim having air in the back of your boat instead of gallons of water it makes it a hell of a lot easier to recover.

My personal thoughts on equipment are: Boat (with airbags), paddle, Deck, PFD, helmet, Thermal protection for where you are and the sponge!

Safety equipment for every trip: Throwbag, 2 krabs, long sling, whistle, river knife & Duct tape.

Extra equipment for creeking / wilderness / teaching / guiding: First aid kit, Pulley & prussics, extra krabs, folding saw, 4 part paddle, mobile phone.

A nose plug is good if you are doing lots of playboating as are ear plugs and or a thermal skull cap. A lot of paddlers get surfers ear in later life if they playboat on cold water a lot.

Have fun on the river,

[quote:f95556c58a="Judson"]Hey, thank you all for the information its fairly useful and im looking forard to hitting some rapids. Best advice would be the flask of brandi haha
Peace Judson[/quote:f95556c58a]
You ARE going to get instruction BEFORE you try whitewater yakking, RIGHT??????

[quote:4d1c4e8a10="nathan"]...... i actually want to know if, Any people here ever use a throwbag when you are in your boat. I have never needed to use a throwbag before. I have also never wished that someone has used a throwbag on me. I want to know the truth, not some sarcastic BS.[/quote:4d1c4e8a10]

Ye, man, I've used it a few times. U never know when it will come handy. I remember one time when i was closing the group (last kayak) and one of the guys got pinned in the middle of a rapid holding himself with his paddle of a rock with just his head sticking out of the water a bit (he couldn't let go of the paddle without going under completely). I managed to eddy out and had time to get out, take out my throwbag and USE IT. Trust me, that mate of mine was quite happy about me paddling with a throwbag, so ...