Hi

Are there any boats similar to the wavesport flyer.

Thanks

The wave sport flyer is just a bit of an outdated composite surf boat.

For similar (read better) boats check out

Mega Kayaks

Murky Waters

Also worth a look (although I can not find links for them) are the Rush from Valley and the Future Kayaks Range from James Hawker.

Hope this helps,
Denzil

Make sure you check out the Dragorossi squashtail as a more versatile surfer for rivers and ocean..

[quote:dc7b01b4e2="heigut"]Make sure you check out the Dragorossi squashtail as a more versatile surfer for rivers and ocean..[/quote:dc7b01b4e2]

But is no way near as good in the surf as a composite boat (no it really is not, not even close, no not even remotly close to the performance of composite boats, no don't bother to argue this point).

As the poster was asking if the Flyer was in a league of its own recomending a boat that is not even near the league and is certainly not in the same legue as the flyer (an outdated surf boat) seems a little silly.

Why is it that people that own draggorossi boats seem to feel the need to premote them to everyone and anyone no matter what sort of boat the user is after or for what use they want it.

Coming from a surfy background I was interested in the squashtail as a river playboat that I could possably enter plastic class surf comps in but all the hard sell and overpromotion from seemingly everyone that owns one or has anything to do with them in any way has really put me off. If I see one kicking about cheep on the secondhand market I may look at one again but not if all this hype keeps up.

Denzil

P.S. I use a Mega Neutron as my main surf craft but also have Mega Jester Cyclone for international class comps.

thanks for replys, i was just interested thats all

That's cool.

If you want to see some videos of various surf kayaks in action (and other cool kayaking vids) check out
xackers.net/freewheelers/videolinks.htm

Denzil

P.S. Sorry Heigut for going a bit OTT at you, I am just getting a little fed up with all the dragorossi pushing and also get mildly annoyed when people recomend plastic boats as comparable surf craft. I am afraid you just managed to say all the wrong things at the wrong time at a point when I am a little stressed due to work. Apologies for ranting.

To the posts above...

Firstly, I don't own a Squashtail, even though i'd like to. My post wasn't intended to be the hype-shit.
Secondly, hell yeah! I know you can't compare plastic and composites.. Composites is another world!

But still, I just suggested the Squashtail as a good versatile surfboat for BOTH rivers AND ocean, as "Nufsed" didn't specify any of the two (ocean or river-use). I am sorry i cannot compare it to the Flyer as i've never paddled that one.

Still, looking back at the posts above, maybe i should have understood that the topic was about composite ocean-specific surfboats, and wouldn't bother posting about a plastic surf boat like the squashtail.. But so i did.

But hey, I don't post here very often and i was bored at school, so i thought i'd give it a go! And you guys reacted to it which is what makes a lively forum. And after all, wouldn't it be boring if we all had the same opinions?

On a wave....

you guys are all wrong, the perception java is by far the best surf boat for oceans or waves, no contest.

[quote:5195616d27="robmeister"]you guys are all wrong, the perception java is by far the best surf boat for oceans or waves, no contest. [/quote:5195616d27]

Dude you are so right. I just love the way it's round hull wallows along the wave creating drag =P

Denzil

[quote:a57fad5778="stoneweasel"][quote:a57fad5778="heigut"]Make sure you check out the Dragorossi squashtail as a more versatile surfer for rivers and ocean..[/quote:a57fad5778]

But is no way near as good in the surf as a composite boat (no it really is not, not even close, no not even remotly close to the performance of composite boats, no don't bother to argue this point).

As the poster was asking if the Flyer was in a league of its own recomending a boat that is not even near the league and is certainly not in the same legue as the flyer (an outdated surf boat) seems a little silly.

Why is it that people that own draggorossi boats seem to feel the need to premote them to everyone and anyone no matter what sort of boat the user is after or for what use they want it.

Coming from a surfy background I was interested in the squashtail as a river playboat that I could possably enter plastic class surf comps in but all the hard sell and overpromotion from seemingly everyone that owns one or has anything to do with them in any way has really put me off. If I see one kicking about cheep on the secondhand market I may look at one again but not if all this hype keeps up.

Denzil

P.S. I use a Mega Neutron as my main surf craft but also have Mega Jester Cyclone for international class comps.[/quote:a57fad5778]



Exactly the reason Corran designed the Nightmare. Composite is great in the surf.

I fail to see all of this DragoRossi "hype" that you see. As a matter of fact, there are fewer people pumping up the DR line than any other company. Fewer paid "hype" spinners. Perhpas we, who have an interest in DragoRossi are not as skilled and sneaky as the other companies. Perhaps DR wears it's heart on it's sleeve and doesn't feel like being sneaky about it's promotion. And perhaps there just ARE a higher percentage of DR owners who actually love their boats.
I would make a suggestion to you:: DON"T buy a DragoRossi because you just wouldn't give it a fair chance.

BAck on topic...
as far as the Flyer being an outdated design, that's not the spin that WaveSport/Confluence is selling. Before just making a flip remark about it being updated I wonder if you've tried the boat...

I do agree that Mega and Murky both have some super sweet designs. And, I can personally attest to the super high quality of work that comes from Murky Kayaks. I had a 9kg kayak that lasted a very very long time!!!

There is nothing quite like composite. I'm glad that you are considering it.

i think the agressive advertising being talked about are the blatant ads about dragorossi being the best kayaks, by far out there today. They can get al little anoying.

[quote:dca0202f72="ScottBarnes"][quote:dca0202f72="stoneweasel"][quote:dca0202f72="heigut"]Make sure you check out the Dragorossi squashtail as a more versatile surfer for rivers and ocean..[/quote:dca0202f72]

But is no way near as good in the surf as a composite boat (no it really is not, not even close, no not even remotly close to the performance of composite boats, no don't bother to argue this point).

As the poster was asking if the Flyer was in a league of its own recomending a boat that is not even near the league and is certainly not in the same legue as the flyer (an outdated surf boat) seems a little silly.

Why is it that people that own draggorossi boats seem to feel the need to premote them to everyone and anyone no matter what sort of boat the user is after or for what use they want it.

Coming from a surfy background I was interested in the squashtail as a river playboat that I could possably enter plastic class surf comps in but all the hard sell and overpromotion from seemingly everyone that owns one or has anything to do with them in any way has really put me off. If I see one kicking about cheep on the secondhand market I may look at one again but not if all this hype keeps up.

Denzil

P.S. I use a Mega Neutron as my main surf craft but also have Mega Jester Cyclone for international class comps.[/quote:dca0202f72]



Exactly the reason Corran designed the Nightmare. Composite is great in the surf.

I fail to see all of this DragoRossi "hype" that you see. As a matter of fact, there are fewer people pumping up the DR line than any other company. Fewer paid "hype" spinners. Perhpas we, who have an interest in DragoRossi are not as skilled and sneaky as the other companies. Perhaps DR wears it's heart on it's sleeve and doesn't feel like being sneaky about it's promotion. And perhaps there just ARE a higher percentage of DR owners who actually love their boats.
I would make a suggestion to you:: DON"T buy a DragoRossi because you just wouldn't give it a fair chance.

BAck on topic...
as far as the Flyer being an outdated design, that's not the spin that WaveSport/Confluence is selling. Before just making a flip remark about it being updated I wonder if you've tried the boat...

I do agree that Mega and Murky both have some super sweet designs. And, I can personally attest to the super high quality of work that comes from Murky Kayaks. I had a 9kg kayak that lasted a very very long time!!!

There is nothing quite like composite. I'm glad that you are considering it.[/quote:dca0202f72]

Hi there,

I agree the nightmare does look faily sweet.

The DR hype I refer to seems to not really be that common on this forum but on many other forums (such as canoe cafe and ukriversguidebook) it seems that any time anyone mentions a DR boat a couple of people will always start on the DR hard sell insisting that DR boats are the best on the market for whatever the use and whoever the person and it just bugs me a bit that is all. I am not suggesting that anyuone should not consider a DR boat if it going to be suitable for what they want it is just that has put me off a little.

anyway back on topic...
I have not tried a flyer but I can still see that it is now a bit outdated. It was an alright surf boat when it came out but even then it was only comparable to the mega surf boats of the time and not supirior. Surf boat design has moved on since then probably with two significant generations of boats. Wavesport have not kept up with this development and are left selling an outdated boat that they market the best they can.

not meaning to be argumentative though =P

Denzil.

P.S.
The Flyer is heavy for a composite boat too.

Didn't Necky make a composite surfer last year??

I have paddled both the Mega Charger and WS Flyer on 67 in Montreal at a sick green wave level. Check out the video in the gallery on www.justfluid.com. Spencer Cook designed the Charger and it is an amazing boat. The Flyer is alright, but wasn't all that aggressive and the layup was of poor quality. The Charger was the best composite layup boat that I've ever seen or paddled! I also don't think that WS is making the Flyer currently, don't think they are making any current composite boats. Necky did come out with the Spyder last year, and it looks like a good design. Good luck with your search. A good composite surf kayak is so much fun!!! I'm hoping to build my own sometime soon.

Peace,
Bryon